WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.230 My father. 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:09.850 After, after the war in forty five, he had the chance to make 00:00:09.850 --> 00:00:18.849 part of the group of people who left with the morning boat. 00:00:21.605 --> 00:00:22.685 they are. 00:00:22.695 --> 00:00:24.845 It was December 45. 00:00:24.855 --> 00:00:31.734 They took the boat, they they went through there, I think. 00:00:31.825 --> 00:00:34.205 And then they took the train went through. 00:00:34.215 --> 00:00:40.025 They went through Italy, Switzerland Switzerland to arrive in Paris. 00:00:42.415 --> 00:00:46.615 My father, my father, spoke very little about this. 00:00:47.350 --> 00:00:54.370 and all these other people on the trip, we 00:00:54.370 and all these friends from the trip, we didn't talk much about that. 00:00:55.250 --> 00:01:00.630 I remember especially the comradeship that they had between 00:01:00.630 --> 00:01:09.940 them, that is to say all his friends that in ten beds Uh, and you? 00:01:11.485 --> 00:01:14.335 create anonymous dad, dad one year ago. 00:01:14.335 --> 00:01:25.325 Finally, all these people were really tight, very much in a 00:01:25.325 --> 00:01:28.875 very nice atmosphere, I think. 00:01:29.545 --> 00:01:35.435 That was a big part of the camaraderie when they 00:01:35.435 --> 00:01:39.355 and they all lived in the, in the university campus, not far from here. 00:01:40.455 --> 00:01:45.575 and in the smooth running of their lives here in Paris. 00:01:47.055 --> 00:01:52.595 When he came here, he was part of of, he worked in the workshop 00:01:52.595 --> 00:02:00.705 of Zadkine and then, following his his free spirit, I think he went on to 00:02:00.705 --> 00:02:05.045 detached himself from any institution. 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:11.600 let's say academic, to start working work on his own and be part of the 00:02:11.600 --> 00:02:21.230 in the uh different sculpture shows, which was which was a determining factor in 00:02:21.230 --> 00:02:27.560 his arrival and his journey from let's say towards Finally, from forty seven 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:36.815 forty-eight, it was his meeting with Henri Laurence who 00:02:36.815 --> 00:02:41.135 is a very very important sculptor who was part of the Louis Gallery 00:02:41.135 --> 00:02:50.935 le Riz and who was among the cubists like Picasso, Braque, but he was a very important 00:02:50.945 --> 00:03:00.550 again, the point of the fact that being nevertheless a sculptor among all 00:03:00.550 --> 00:03:08.130 these painters, it was it is nevertheless unknown, that is to say that the role in 00:03:08.130 --> 00:03:16.480 the sculpture at the time and I would say in in relation to the extent of the, of the of the 00:03:16.480 --> 00:03:19.400 painting today is always less. 00:03:21.910 --> 00:03:25.110 That is, we'll have Laurence, everybody knows Braque, Picasso 00:03:25.110 --> 00:03:27.290 and we'll have Laurence very little. 00:03:27.600 --> 00:03:32.120 people know him, but he's a very, very important a very, very important sculptor 00:03:32.130 --> 00:03:35.320 and a very important artist in the history of Cubism. 00:03:37.210 --> 00:03:42.519 His meeting with Laurence was, as I said before, decisive, 00:03:42.519 --> 00:03:46.930 decisive because he worked with him, so I guess, in 00:03:46.930 --> 00:03:56.450 the technique of which the work of the the sculpture, certainly on the artistic side. 00:03:57.275 --> 00:04:03.585 even if it is not one does not feel the cubist influence in the work 00:04:03.585 --> 00:04:10.575 of my father and a lot in the that is, in the human sense, that is to say, in the rice. 00:04:10.575 --> 00:04:16.655 Laure, she was a very honest person very honest in his approach, in his 00:04:16.655 --> 00:04:19.495 his work and in his approach. 00:04:19.495 --> 00:04:25.210 In the, in the environment of of, of he worked a lot, he 00:04:25.210 --> 00:04:26.760 wasn't the world at all, huh. 00:04:26.760 --> 00:04:28.340 It was still pretty. 00:04:28.340 --> 00:04:35.360 Uh, quite discreet is equal to himself himself, whose honesty of work. 00:04:35.370 --> 00:04:40.750 And my father has followed this whole his whole life, kind of this line of 00:04:40.750 --> 00:04:44.260 of work and mentality. 00:04:44.990 --> 00:04:53.245 So, after his meeting with Laurence, he as I said, he 00:04:53.245 --> 00:04:57.985 participate in trade shows, different shows in the Paris area 00:05:01.295 --> 00:05:08.545 moreover one of the art critics who had organized salons at that time 00:05:08.555 --> 00:05:10.585 whose name I don't remember. 00:05:11.275 --> 00:05:17.155 We had done a retrospective on all the artists in 00:05:17.155 --> 00:05:19.815 ninety-three, I think. 00:05:20.645 --> 00:05:23.265 There was that took place in the convent of the Cordeliers. 00:05:23.275 --> 00:05:28.595 There, we did the first retrospective of my father and I remember. 00:05:28.595 --> 00:05:35.125 It was quite symbolic and moving because because my father having participated in all his 00:05:35.125 --> 00:05:39.515 of this person who was organizing at that time in the fifties, 00:05:40.605 --> 00:05:48.550 when he came out of the room he said to the curator of the exhibition and if I do 00:05:48.550 --> 00:05:54.280 a retrospective, I'd like to do it here and so he died six months later. 00:05:54.290 --> 00:05:58.950 And this person who was present at my father's funeral 00:06:00.210 --> 00:06:05.450 said that we were going to do the retrospective in this place. 00:06:07.030 --> 00:06:10.950 That was a parenthesis in the history the history of the salons at the time. 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:19.350 towards the end of the fifties, he meets Roger. 00:06:19.700 --> 00:06:31.140 Roger was always uh to an important writer writer who publishes a lot, who uh and 00:06:31.140 --> 00:06:32.780 who was an art critic at the same time. 00:06:33.540 --> 00:06:34.520 Valiant rejection. 00:06:35.915 --> 00:06:41.345 fall a little in love with work, of the suit. 00:06:42.425 --> 00:06:50.155 And he is very very impressed by the manual genius already and also 00:06:50.355 --> 00:06:57.485 by the magnitude, uh the artistic magnitude artistic breadth and so that's him. 00:06:59.270 --> 00:07:05.419 that was decisive, that introduces my father and who introduces 00:07:05.419 --> 00:07:11.900 my father to the Galerie de France, so the my father's production and the beginning of the 00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:14.349 collaboration with the Galerie de France. 00:07:14.590 --> 00:07:20.680 Well, it was decisive for his career as an artist. 00:07:22.330 --> 00:07:24.469 He has his first exhibition. 00:07:25.415 --> 00:07:29.895 that works very very well, especially with arms and you see I have a lot 00:07:29.895 --> 00:07:34.705 of photos, we see a lot of photos in the catalogs of the des 00:07:34.705 --> 00:07:38.825 the first ones of the first exhibition that he did, or it's only works 00:07:39.035 --> 00:07:46.615 uh make some shaving in with in different metals but it's 00:07:46.615 --> 00:07:51.525 mostly arm and and a lot of low reliefs, big works of the of the 00:07:51.525 --> 00:07:54.594 quite important large works. 00:07:55.715 --> 00:08:02.565 and so this collaboration with the Galerie de France him 00:08:02.565 --> 00:08:04.155 leads to other exhibitions. 00:08:04.155 --> 00:08:11.595 He becomes international and he and he starts to make exhibitions in 00:08:11.595 --> 00:08:14.605 London and New York, in the United States. 00:08:14.925 --> 00:08:18.135 where he worked, he made at least two exhibitions. 00:08:19.225 --> 00:08:25.805 Hence the fact that we see from time to time works sold in the museums. 00:08:25.815 --> 00:08:29.665 in auctions, especially American ones. 00:08:29.675 --> 00:08:34.745 So at that time, according to my research, he did a lot of 00:08:34.745 --> 00:08:38.804 orders in the United States for the furniture. 00:08:40.414 --> 00:08:48.324 that is, the furniture, the, the pieces, the more, the 00:08:48.324 --> 00:08:54.685 iron tables, arms and he made many different models. 00:08:54.685 --> 00:08:55.984 And who was working then? 00:08:55.984 --> 00:08:58.564 I don't know if he had them working here. 00:08:58.569 --> 00:09:02.719 where he had the necessary material to work them in the United States. 00:09:02.729 --> 00:09:04.500 This, I don't know if he had a workshop. 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:08.260 Now I'm in the dark I'm in the dark about that. 00:09:08.260 --> 00:09:12.380 There is no archive that There is no archive that proves and gives, that enlightens 00:09:12.380 --> 00:09:16.989 a little bit the whole period.